BBC’s Empire S1 Ep1 (part 4 of 4)

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“…I think ‘prove’ is a strong verb, given that the site you highlight is dedicated to the organisation which carried out the bombings.”————
You “forgot” that the British – the interested party TOO Why can to believe to the British colonialists, BUT to Jewish fighters against colonialism – no?

“Those on the site you highlight don’t seem particularly objective.”———–
Why do you think so? Explain, for example, why the French consulate opened the windows (and not affected by the explosion) if they did not receive a warning? Another argument – “Irgun” and even the Stern Group is generally not selected English CIVIL population in their goals, but rather, trying to avoid casualties of these (and even more so among the Jews, in the King’s David Hotel’s Bombing killed 16 Jews.)
You will not deny that the Irgun clearly warned the British goverment before “Night of the beatings” ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Beatings ) Why do you think you are not warned before the bombing? The mass killing of people, including innocents, much worse than flogging occupiers.

“I take it you are broadly against colonialism and occupation?”———-
Not quite. For example, in India, you “Anglo-Saxons”, do something for its development, but caused more damage. In Australia and North America, you (and other Aryan settlers) killed most of the natives But we Jews – not colonizers in “Palestine”. We have lived here long before the Arabs (and before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxon colonialists in OUR Britain ) and and lost it because of the Roman invaders, always going to come back.
And even if we did have the colonizers in their new country – you, the Aryans, do not have any right to judge us. It’s because of your age-old anti-Semitism, persecution and mass murders – we needed State-shelter anywhere. How you have the cynism to talk about the “Zionist occupiers”?

“On that basis, I imagine you find much to aggravate you, regarding the current situation in Israel-Palestine?”———-
Read above ;-(

“‘Aryan countries’ doesn’t really mean anything”————-
I use this term because of the lack of a better (“Europeans” “Whites” or “Christians” approach is even less.) I mean by it, “the European nations except the Jews, Romas, Saami and Finno-Ugric and Turkic peoples of East of European Russia” . Perhaps you will understand.

To be continued.

Thank you for the link (to a website titled ‘The Irgun Site’) which you claim proves that Irgun gave warning regarding the King David Hotel bombing and that “The English power neglected this prevention …”

I think ‘prove’ is a strong verb, given that the site you highlight is dedicated to the organisation which carried out the bombings. I’m aware of the various claims regarding phone calls made in advance of the bombing. Those on the site you highlight don’t seem particularly objective. I’m also not sure what point you’re trying to make.

Your second bullet isn’t clear. I take it you are broadly against colonialism and occupation? On that basis, I imagine you find much to aggravate you, regarding the current situation in Israel-Palestine?

I don’t understand what you are arguing with your third point. The theme seems to be that Britain was complicit in the Holocaust carried out by Nazi Germany (even though the two were at war at the time)?

Please note that ‘Aryan countries’ doesn’t really mean anything. ‘Aryan’ was a 19th and 20th century word used in racialist thought and Nazi ideology. There is no contemporary definition, unless you mean a descendent of the prehistoric people who spoke Indo-European? (Do look it up.)

It’s extraordinary that you claim Britain was at war in WW2 ‘only for itself’, emphasising the power of your argument by capitalising the words. The literature on the period, and the agenda of the various players, is extensive. To summarise Britain’s role in WW2 in that way appears simplistic, to say the least.

I put it to you your comments regarding Britain’s role in WW2 are really about re-framing events in such a way that leaves you emotionally comfortable in justifying the mass murder carried out by Irgun.

I further put it to you that the contribution of the British armed forces to the defeat of Nazi German were of critical importance to the world, the Jewish people and the entire human race, and that your attempts to dismiss that contribution as mere selfishness are both unbecoming and absurd.

Thank you for taking the time to comment.

Be at peace

Peter Baker

2. Jewish “terrorists” in Palestine (aka Erets Israel, Country of Israel) fought against the British colonialism and occupation; that is were in any case more right than the enemies. British lost almost all the colonial empire, but to these continue to praise it and to slander her opponents :-/

3 . During the Holocaust Britain very much tried not to let the Jewish refugees to the Country. Therefore million Jews which could move gradually here and survive, were killed by nazis (till 1941 Hitler wanted not to exterminate Jews and to expel them from Europe. But then he was convinced that the Aryan countries won’t accept Jews, and that to them to spit on death of Jews. )

4. Britain in WW2 was at war ONLY FOR ITSELF, and the survival of the pity rest of the European Jews was result of its military activity collateral and unnecessary it. When British and Americans asked something to make for rescue of Jews, they heartlessly refused (for example, didn’t bomb crematoriums and gas chambers of camps of death, and the road to them, and it could rescue more than one million Jews! ) Therefore very silly and unscrupulously to reproach Jews: “England battled for your rescue, and you are ungrateful!”

my Father In Law Lt. James Masson was in Palestine at the same time as your Father, serving with the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders. He attended the Palestine Railway Station on the 30th October when a report of a bomb was received. He requested to go and investigate the report with with Cpl. Smith and a Police Sergeant he had worked with on the 24th when they made safe roadside mines.

All three walked into the station and retrieved one of the suitcases, took it out to the roundabout and opened it. They found a canister inside but with no fuse. The Police Sergeant insisted on going back in to retrieve the other suitcase because my Father In Law had taken ‘his turn’ on the 24th. Once he saw my FIL and the Cpl. to cover he entered the Station and was immediately killed when the second suitcase exploded, simultaneously the bomb on the roundabout detonated. Three terrorists were later identified as the culprits who placed the bombs, a female Sima Fleishhaker-Hoizman claimed as the first suicide bomber although she escaped on this occasion. One of her male accomplices was Meir Feinstein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Feinstein who was wounded trying to escape. He was tried and hanged for his involvement.

The Police Sergeant was awarded the King’s Police Medal (posthumously) and my FIL was awarded the George Medal, I don’t know if the Cpl. received anything.

I watched the interview with Sarah Agassi and did wonder if she was also responsible for the Railway Station bombing (it’s only since the interview I discovered the real identity of the female involved) and like you and your Father, was irritated that Agassi was given such an easy time. However, on reflection I suspect Paxman was instructed as to how the interview would go or she would likely have refused to participate in the first place or walked out during the interview.

I now think we should be grateful to Paxman for having the courage and restraint to not grill her and actually demonstrate to the world the ruthless and callous nature of this vile woman who was quite evidently proud of her accomplishments, a fact I don’t think anyone failed to note, mostly with disgust and revulsion; a fact that would not pass Paxman by, and by his unusually ingratiating nature I think we can glean that the interview was conducted through gritted teeth.

Whatever the circumstances of the situation, the fact remains that Allied soldiers fought, and died to ensure freedom for oppressed peoples during WW2 and yet, only a year later they were turned on by the very people they liberated.

Please convey my regards to your Father.

I am doing my A-Level History coursework on the King David Hotel
and be very interested in talking to your father about his experiences or your knowledge!
I am particularly interested in the consequences of the attack.

Thank you

Elizabeth

Thanks for writing.

Which documents are you referring to? You may well know more about this than I do, but I’m not familiar with the documents you mention to, or what they disclose.

You say that it is clear that ‘we essentially did “run Away”‘. What does that mean? The obvious assumption is that the British were interested in retaining control of Palestine in some way, post mid-40s? That isn’t consistent with my understanding of British post-War foreign policy, but I’m no expert?

In addition, the idea that ‘the Arabs were quiescent at the time’ is absolutely not consistent with my understanding of the situation in Palestine in the ’46 – ’48 period. Arab-Jewish relations were extremely aggravated over that period. As it happens, my father witnessed a number of incidents first hand, including a bus full of Arab citizens being killed by Jewish militants (one of the experiences he personally found most affecting).

I’m not sure where you get the impression that it was only a conflict between ‘the British and extremist Jews … with the Arabs looking on impassively’? I don’t think that is representative of what went on at all?

Please note: I am not taking sides in the current problems between the Israelis and the Palestinians. I wish only for peace, for the sake of all concerned. However, the idea that the way Mr Paxman treated Ms Agassi was ‘perfect’ seems peculiar, given the specific criticisms set out by my father and echoed by Mr Loades above.

I look forward to any further thoughts. Thanks again for writing.

Best regards

Peter Baker